From David P. Gushee and Glen H. Stassen
Dear Christian Brothers and Sisters,
Greetings in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. We write to you about an urgent matter of common concern.
In just a few weeks, unless their plans change dramatically, Palestinian leaders will make a unilateral declaration of a State of Palestine based on the pre-1967 borders and will turn to the United Nations for a vote to recognize their new state.
The present Netanyahu government of Israel is, of course, totally opposed to this course of action on the part of the Palestinians. The United States government (predictably) shares this opposition. Both nations tell the Palestinians that the proper path to a state is through negotiations leading to an agreement that can settle all outstanding territorial and political issues. Palestinian leaders respond that they continue to support negotiations but that they can no longer pin all of their hopes on them.
This is because progress on that elusive peace agreement has been nonexistent for years. Of course, both sides blame each other for that lack of progress. But meanwhile, on a visit to the Occupied Territories this summer along with 50 students from Fuller Seminary who were studying just peacemaking (see http://justpeacemaking.blogspot.com/p/just-peacemaking.html), we were shown repeatedly how Israeli settlements (actually, planned cities and towns on occupied Palestinian land) are eating away at the land that would belong to any viable Palestinian state. The Palestinians are convinced that the Netanyahu government in Israel is pursuing a strategy of delaying negotiations while creating facts on the ground that will make a Palestinian state impossible. A visitor to the increasingly encircled and truncated Palestinian territories can see these facts on the ground with his own eyes if he is willing to look. The Palestinian leadership believes that they had better declare statehood now before the territory for such a state completely disappears. It could be a high stakes showdown at the UN, with uncertain consequences in the aftermath.
Officially, Israel long ago entered into negotiations with Palestinian leaders toward a two-state solution. Unofficially, it appears that the current government in Israel is renouncing this path. Ideological rather than pragmatic factors are clearly contributing to this unofficial but visible renunciation. The most important ideological factor is the belief that Israel deserves the entirety of the land and that Palestinians have no legitimate claim on any part of it.
As you know, this belief is one form of what goes by the name “Zionism.” When it is religiously motivated, it is an especially stubborn belief, because Israel’s “title” to every square inch of the land is believed to be granted by God in the Bible. We were told in Israel that the number of religious Jewish Zionists in Israel is today growing appreciably, and that many are to be found in the settlements on Palestinian land (which they do not accept is Palestinian land). It is hard to see how they will ever voluntarily leave their homes, even if Israel signs a peace agreement. In short: Israel has created the conditions for a civil war if they try to dismantle settlements, and for a Palestinian revolt or a wider Middle East war if they never end their occupation.
This letter, though, is not about religious Jewish Zionism and its destructive effects on Israeli policy. It is about the Christian version of the same belief. This Christian version of Zionism matters deeply, not just because theology intrinsically matters, but because it is overwhelmingly clear that American evangelical-fundamentalist Christian Zionism affects US policy toward Israel and the Palestinians in distressing ways. It is one reason why the United States stands almost alone in the world community in supporting Israeli policies which our international friends generally find intolerable if not immoral and illegal.
Not to put too fine a point on it, we wish to claim here that the prevailing version of American Christian Zionism—that is, your belief system—underwrites theft of Palestinian land and oppression of Palestinian people, helps create the conditions for an explosion of violence, and pushes US policy in a destructive direction that violates our nation’s commitment to universal human rights. In all of these, American Christian Zionism as it currently stands is sinful and produces sin. We write as evangelical Christians committed lifelong to Israel's security, and we are seriously worried about your support for policies that violate biblical warnings about injustice and may lead to the outcome you most fear—serious harm to or even destruction of Israel.
We write as evangelicals to you, our fellow evangelicals. On the shared basis of biblical authority, we ask you to reconsider your interpretation of Scripture, for the sake of God, humanity, the United States, and, yes, Israel itself, the Land and People you love.
II A Question of (Whose) Holy Land
We acknowledge that your evangelical-fundamentalist American Christian Zionism (henceforth simply “Christian Zionism”) is a product of a Christian community that loves and reads the Bible. This is on its face a good thing--for there appear to be fewer and fewer American Christians whose love of the Bible and whose devotion to reading it can be taken for granted. We commend your love for the scriptures.
Both now and in the past, whenever Christian Zionism emerges its essential origin is simply Christian reading of the Hebrew Bible, or what Christians call the Old Testament. Our love of the Bible takes Christians into the pages of the Old Testament; there we cannot help but discover the centrality of a Promised Land for the Jewish people. The trajectory of the canonical Old Testament moves inexorably toward and away from the Promised Land—the patriarchal narratives in which a people and land are promised despite humble origins; enslavement in Egypt; the miraculous Exodus and grim wilderness wanderings under Moses; the conquest of the Promised Land; the establishment, split, and eventual conquest of Israel as a political entity; the Babylonian exile and dispersion of the Jewish people; and a partial return to the land, at which point the OT historical narrative ends.
Our Christian love for and identification with “the Holy Land” can and often does deepen through reading of the New Testament as well. The four Gospels, in particular, detail the journeys of Jesus through (Roman-subjugated) Israel, and many millions of Christians have cut their spiritual teeth on those stories. We have come to know and love Nazareth and Bethlehem, Capernaum and Cana and the shore of the Sea of Galilee and of course Jerusalem, because those are the places that Jesus walked. Having just visited Israel this summer, we can attest to the continuing power of these places to connect spiritually with Christians in surprisingly profound ways. Both of us found ourselves deeply affected, for example, by standing on the shore of the Sea of Galilee where tradition holds that Jesus reinstated Peter after his denials. The intense spiritual impact of “walking where Jesus walked” continues to draw millions of Christians to Holy Land tours. Even in our jaded age, there is still power in spiritual pilgrimage to Holy Land—the Holy Land.
As devoted Christians, we share this love of the sacred lands of the biblical tradition with all who hold such love. We think that love of the Holy Land is far better than indifference to it. And both of us, as students of the long and terrible history of Christian anti-Semitism, which culminated in the horrors of the Holocaust, far prefer a strong sense of Christian kinship with the Jewish people and their historic homeland than the centuries-long Christian pattern of theological disdain and even hatred that so long predominated. The question then becomes not whether to love “Israel”—understood as the People and the Land—but how best to do so. We think this is a question that you will understand and want to answer properly, as we do.
We suggest to you that contemporary Christian Zionism is well-intentioned but needs correction at some very important points. This requires some careful biblical and theological work—from within the basic framework of evangelical Christianity. This means that the relevant scriptural texts need to be studied in detail, and that Christian theology needs to do its proper work with those texts.
For example, we suggest that Christian Zionists who move from a generalized love of Israel to a specific claim that the contemporary state of Israel has divine title to the entire Holy Land, need to take more seriously the complexity of what the Bible actually says about God’s promises to Abraham.
Genesis 15:18 reads: “On that day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying, ‘To your descendants I give this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the river Euphrates.” The next verse goes on to name the various peoples to whom the land belonged at the time.
The territory denoted by the space between these two rivers includes modern-day Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, half of Iraq, half of Egypt, parts of Turkey and Saudi Arabia, the modern state of Israel, as well as the occupied Palestinian territories.
A literal reading of the text that assumes that the descendants of Abram are only the Jewish people faces a problem here. Either God is not very good at keeping his promises, or God’s plan is for contemporary Israel ultimately to conquer all of these other countries and occupy their land. That would result in an Israel ruled by its 90% majority Arabs, or an Israel attempting to subjugate that 90% by force.
But the promise looks very different if we take seriously all of the offspring of Abraham. Genesis 15:4-5 has God taking Abram outside and telling him that his descendants will be as numerous as the stars of the heavens. Genesis 17:4, probably the pivotal text, has God saying to Abraham: “This is my covenant with you: You shall be the ancestor of a multitude of nations.” Many nations, a multitude of nations; many offspring, many kings—read Genesis 17 again and see the plural nouns here.
Close readers of Scripture will know that in fact Abraham did become the father of many nations. With Sarah he became the father of Isaac and the ancestor of all in his line, via Jacob and Esau. With Hagar he became the father of Ishmael and all in his line. And with the long-forgotten Keturah (Gen. 25:1) he became the father of Zimran, Jokshan, Medan, Midian, Ishbak, and Shuah. The Old Testament clearly positions Abraham as the father/ancestor of not only the Jewish people but of a vast number of other peoples, all scattered through the territories promised in Genesis 15. Abraham becomes the father of dozens of peoples, exactly as the Bible says! It is certainly true that the Old Testament primarily tells the story of the line of Isaac and therefore of what became the Jewish people, but that cannot cancel the significance of the promises to Abraham and the many peoples credited to him in Genesis.
The New Testament makes an important move here as well. In Romans 4, Paul says that by faith non-Jews become Abraham’s descendants too: “The purpose was to make him the ancestor of all who believe” (Rom 4:11). Europeans and Asians, Africans and Latin Americans, any who believe in Jesus enter the line of Abraham. This is why it is correct to say that (at least) Jews, Christians, and Muslims are all descendants of Abraham, all part of the Abrahamic family tree, some by birth, some by lineage, some by faith.
Perhaps you will respond by saying that God promises the land of Canaan specifically to the Jewish people. You might cite here Genesis 17:8: “I will give to you, and to your offspring after you, the land where you are now an alien, all the land of Canaan, for a perpetual holding.” This interpretation would require restricting the “offspring” in question to Abraham’s offspring through Sarah via Isaac and then on to Jacob and excluding Esau. But the promise to possess the land includes the offspring of Isaac, and the offspring of Isaac includes Esau, with his five Edomite sons and their offspring, as Genesis 36 states, and that includes multitudes of Canaanites, not only Jews. It would also require the assumption that we know what Gen. 17 means territorially with the term “Canaan” and that it corresponds with the Zionist’s version of the proper boundaries of the modern state of Israel.
One other point from later in the Old Testament seems important to mention here. Even when the narrative moves forward into the book of Joshua, and the twelve tribes of Israel “conquer” the “Promised Land,” it is striking that the scriptures themselves acknowledge the ongoing presence of non-Hebrews in the land. Texts like this recur: “But the people of Judah could not drive out the Jebusites, the inhabitants of Jerusalem; so the Jebusites live with the people of Judah in Jerusalem to this day” (Josh 15:63; compare Josh 13:13, 16:10, 17:12-13, 19:47).
Christians, even those who know their Bibles well, tend to think of the book of Joshua as containing the (bloody) fulfillment of the promise of the whole Land to Israel—the entire land is conquered by war, and then divided up among the tribes. A close reading shows that the Hebrew tribes shared the land for centuries with other groups, and that even when tribes were assigned certain portions of land, they didn’t necessarily control every square inch of it. The point is obvious later when it comes to the challenge posed by the Philistines. It is not an overstatement to say that the Israelite/Hebrew/Jewish people never had exclusive possession of the Holy Land, regardless of whatever divine promises they or we believe that they received.
III Those Who Do Justice Keep Their Land
Let us now assume that God indeed promised the offspring of Abraham and Sarah via Isaac and Jacob a portion of the land between the Nile and the Euphrates. Let us even assume that this promise was intended by God to extend even to our own day and beyond. And let us further assume that in the dark shadow of the Holocaust it was an act of divine grace for a substantial portion of the surviving remnant of the Jewish people to have a modern-day homeland in the contemporary state of Israel. These are substantial claims that could be challenged for many reasons, but we are prepared to accept them, along with you.
But we do so while keeping in front of us another strand of relevant biblical teaching. The prophets, writing much later in Israel’s history, long after Israel had established substantial political kingdoms, warned repeatedly that God’s covenant with Israel has a dimension of conditionality to it. Whether preaching in the northern kingdom of Israel prior to the Assyrian conquest, or the southern kingdom of Judah prior to the Babylonian conquest and exile, Israel’s prophets repeatedly warned that God’s covenant promise of the land was conditional on her moral performance. In particular, the prophets warned that, in keeping with the stipulations of the Law, Israel would be judged by her treatment of the aliens in the land, of the poor, the widows, and the orphans.
The 7th/6th century BC prophet Jeremiah sounded such themes consistently. We see it in Jeremiah 6:6-8: “This city must be punished; it is filled with oppression…Violence and destruction resound in her…Take warning, O Jerusalem, or I will turn away from you and make your land desolate so no one can live in it.” Jeremiah 7 is a hugely important passage, in which the prophet warns the complacent worshippers at the seemingly impregnable Temple that it and they would be ruined if they did not “amend your ways and your doings, and let me dwell with you in this place” (Jer 7:3). Jeremiah warned: “Will you steal, murder, commit adultery, swear falsely…then come and stand before me in this house, which is called by my name, and say, “We are safe!”—only to go on doing all these abominations?” (7:9-10). And the climax: “I will cast you out of my sight, just as I cast out all your kinfolk, all the offspring of Ephraim” (7:15).
Old Testament scholars have long recognized that a powerful, important, and dynamic tension exists in the OT between themes of a conditional and unconditional covenant between God and Israel. God has chosen Israel and made binding promises to her; and yet God has warned Israel that her persistent violation of her part of that covenant could trigger God’s judgment, including in war and in exile. And anyone who reads the Old Testament knows that war and exile came to Israel, that it was prophesied in advance as divine judgment, and described in retrospect in the same way.
At a theological level, we are claiming that even if one accepts a) a divine promise of land to the Jewish people as recorded in scripture, b) a belief that this promise extends even to this day, and c) the modern state of Israel as, in part, God’s gracious fulfillment of this promise, one must also say d) the Bible, in the prophetic writings, also teaches that persistent injustice on the part of Israel has evoked, and still can bring, God’s judgment, which can extend even to war and exile. Israel’s remaining in the land depends on Israel’s now doing justice to Palestinians and making peace with its Arab neighbors that surround Israel. Indeed, Jesus, as prophet and Savior, also prophesied that Jerusalem would be destroyed because they did not know the practices that make for peace (Lk 19:41-44). And Jerusalem was destroyed, 40 years later. Do you not fear that it could happen again? Does not your love of Israel make you want to do all you can to prevent that from happening? And yet your actions actually make it more likely to happen!
IV The Holy Land on the Precipice
Any visitor to this tortured Holy Land who avoids a sanitized Christian tour and actually visits with Palestinians, actually stands in the shadow of the Separation Wall, actually sees what military occupation looks and feels like, cannot but tremble at these biblical words of warning.
We are not Old Testament prophets, nor do we pretend to see the future. But we have seen enough to claim that the occupation practices of the modern state of Israel are a direct violation of the most basic biblical moral principles. It is immoral to steal anything, including people’s land, homes, and vineyards. It is immoral to dehumanize people, as occurs daily in Israeli prisons and checkpoints. It is immoral to choke people’s freedom and deprive them of their dignity. And it is foolish, a violation of every lesson of history, to think that through sheer intimidation and superior military power a people can be subjugated indefinitely without rising up in resistance or attracting more powerful allies who will do so on their behalf. God gave humanity a recognition of justice and a nearly endless capacity to resist injustice. It is wired into our nature, and the Palestinian people and the neighboring countries have it just like everyone else does.
We genuinely fear that someday someone or some nation inflamed with resentment at the seemingly eternal Israeli subjugation of the Palestinian people will “make your land desolate so no one can live in it” (Jer 6:8). That sounds like a nuclear bomb. Have you heard of Mahmoud Ahmedinijad? We heard from Palestinian leaders a current commitment to pursue their cause nonviolently. We applaud that commitment. We see it as an extraordinary one under the circumstances. We fear that it cannot last forever, for no people will allow itself to be ground into the dust indefinitely. What are you doing to end their suffering and bring justice to them?
We will leave it to God to sort out with the Jewish people of the modern state of Israel the very complex terms of his covenant with them. But we cannot remain silent about the vast array of American Christians who support the most repressive and unjust Israeli policies in the name of Holy Land and a Holy God. We charge that you bear grave responsibility for aiding and abetting obvious sin, and if Israel once again sees war, we suggest that you will bear part of the responsibility. Christians are called to be peacemakers (Mt 5:9), but by offering uncritical support of current Israeli policies you are actively inflaming the Middle East toward war—in the name of God. This is appalling; it is intolerable; it must stop!
We plead with you, our brothers and sisters, to find a better way, a more biblical way, to love Israel. Love Israel enough to oppose rather than support actions that violate God’s clearly revealed moral will. And while you are at it, it might be good to work on loving the Palestinians, some of whom are also our Christian sisters and brothers. When you visit Israel, we urge you to visit with Palestinian Christians and ask them what they want us, their fellow Christians, to support. For they surely need our love. And we are surely commanded to love them, too.
In the name of Christ,
David P. Gushee
I agree with much of your analysis, until the final segment. I do not consider having any belief regarding God giving the land to the Jewish people. However, your isolation of the Israel-Palestinian matter from the larger Jewish, Christian, and Muslim issue, as well as the larger issue of Islamic Militancy as exhibited by Iran and by al Qada is a grave mistake. I do not think one can understand the actions of Israel apart from this. Israel is the oppressed nation (yes, I have been there). Palestinians are oppressed, but by Muslim nations who have plenty of money to provide new homes, but refuse to do so because they need the issue.
ReplyDeleteThe Jews have a tiny strip of land - The Arabs and Muslims have thousands of acres. Why do you begrudge the Jews this?
ReplyDeleteEveryone knows that many of the Arabs who lived on this little strip in 1948 left because they were commanded to by the Arab League.
And everyone knows that Jordan and Egypt have expelled some of these Arabs from their land. Hamas and the PA have both refused to recognise a state for the Jews and the former have used land surrendered to them as a launching pad for Suicide bombers and rockets.
So why have a go at Christian evangelicals? A "Christian Zionist" is someone who believes that the Jews have the right to live on this planet and that tiny strip of land which they irrigated and brought back from being a desert with malaria ridden swamps is as good as anywhere else.
If you wish to back the 'Palestinian' line then where do you suggest that we should keep the Jews?
And you call yourselves "theologians" Duh! Have you tried seeing a Middle East Map? Why don't the palestinians go back where they belong, i.e. Jordan!
ReplyDeleteIt seems quite UNhunanitarian of the author to "leave it to God to sort out...", since if the viewpoint of this article were followed I fear a great many citizens of Israel would be standing face to face with their Maker in a very short time.
ReplyDeleteIt is clear that JPI needs to learn that "peace" is more than an absence of conflict. If genuine SECURITY of both parties is not a real result of negitiations, then "peace" is nothing but a word to be used in media headlines and pointless articles, a term twisted to coerce people to view but one side of an argument.
The article above is a sad example of bias which denies there is any viewpoint but it's own.
a friend was reading this article & told me this:
ReplyDeleteI don't even know where to begin, first I will state that I completely disagree and reject the above delusions.
I am a "Christian Zionist" and believe wholeheartedly in the promises God made to the JEWISH PEOPLE, the son of PROMISE was Isaac, not ishmael.
The idea of justice in the article is skewed and false, the arab population who are called for propaganda reasons "palestinians" are oppressed by their muslim arab brothers and are used as fodder to isolate and demonize Israel in the international community falsely.
Their term "occupied" is also incorrect and misleading, the Jewish people came to their God-given homeland after the Holocaust(history recalls the Grand Mufti of "Palestine" al-husseini, was a friend of Hitler & supported the evil). They settled and tried to make their own new beginning and were subsequently murdered and attacked at every opportunity. The arab inhabitants chose to leave in order that the nations around (with arab league support) could "sweep the Jews into the sea". After the arabs lost, by Divine Providence, Israel had won it's freedom. Now it's supposedly the Jews responsiblity to let all these arabs back when they fled in order to see the Jews murdered?!?
They lost their privilege of being in God's land of promise when they took such action, let them move into the lands where they fled, live in the countries that share the same faith/values as they do, shariah law and barbarism, fascist militant states.
IF the "arab spring" has shown anything, it's that these people, for the most part, don't want freedom, they want islamic domination. The new libyan council instituted shariah law as a first order of business after they murdered their deposed leader w/o trial. Further, in egypt the muslim brotherhood (hamas allies) are the favored to take the political power.
Israel is the ONLY country in the region which provides rights for people of all faiths, including women. Yet they falsely claim that the injustice is in Israel?!? Whether it's intentional or not, the article is foolish and anti-semitic. Based on false premises and an incorrect interpretation of the Word of God.
They should try reading the history of the events as they've unfolded, not from a biased source, but the facts as they are, regardless of the Biblical promises, the Jews are the moral combatants in this conflict.
God bless all True believers and supporters of God, His Land, and His People; to the Jew 1st and then all believers from the nations in Jesus, the JEWISH Messiah!
The Abramic covenant is expressed and reaffirmed throughout Genesis. While there are other promises made to Ishamael and his descendants in Genesis 16, the Land Promise is specific through Isaac and Jacob exclusively. This is clarified in Genesis 32:12 and elsewhere as being specific through Jacob/Israel's line. The Abramic Covenant, unlike the Mosaic Covenant is unilateral, unconditional blood covenant upon which God swore by Himself.
ReplyDeleteWhile it may appear well intended to initiate peace among man, our Gospel proclaims a reconciliation between man and God NOT between nations or even individual people! In your effort to contrive a just peace, you have bought entirely into the Arab Islamic narrative, while abandoning a literal hemaneutic or even a thorough inclusion of God's reaffirmation of His covenant, in which the descendancy is clearly specified as through Isaac, the first born of covenant and his son Jacob.
While Israel's claim to Promised Land is supported by the explicit language of the Abramic Covenant, the motive of Christian Zionists is simply to bless Israel. If you are making the antisemitic case that Ashkenazi Jews are not true descendants of Abraham, there are several refutations of that dyslogic. Ashkenaz was a descendant of Japheth, not of Shem, and a territory in the Ruhr Valley of Germany was a geographic location where Japheth's descendants settled. Centuries later, there were Jews who following the diaspora also settled there; however, when they were scattered again these Jews were then called Ashkenazi based upon their prior home geography NOT their lineage. Second, there is Biblical, historical and archeological evidence of continuous Jewish occupation of this land throughout history, up to and including the Ottoman Empire. Finally, in modern times, ownership of territory is determined by last conquest. In this regard Israel has fought a series of defensive wars, which each resulted in expansion of territory.
To the informed observer, since 1995 and Rabin's signing of the Oslo accords (after which he was assassinated 16 years ago this week) Israel has relentlessly pursued the perilous path to peace with a perfidious partner. The net result is the exchanging of land and limited sovereignty for increased hostility, missiles and mortar fired from their "partners in peace", kidnapping from Israel of Gilad Shalit and escalating mayhem. Even with Shalit's return in exchange for 1027 Arab terrorists, Saudi Arabia has newly offered a ransom of $1million for any newly kidnapped Israeli soldier!
In the face of the failed results of the Gaza land for peace gambit and an Arab betrayal of every element of the Oslo Accords, Israel will now embark on the dangerous path of war once again. She will do this in the face of increased provocations, intolerable to any sovereign nation. She will do this by necessity due to the clamor of the nations and the idle talk of babblers, who seek to undo what God has granted in partial fulfillment of His promise.
Viewing the Israeli-Palestinian conflict as one of national liberation and self determination is embracing the Soviet era narrative, that was introduced by Communism globally. It was schooled to Yassir Arafat through the Romanian KGB in the 1960's. It is an embarrassment to the name of Christ that 21st century seminary scholars are so readily duped by this ruse. This is why we should stay in our area of authority and calling. With regard to Israel, if you cannot bless the Jewish people, it is best not to curse Israel. God is faithful to his promises. If he were to break covenant with the Jewish People, why would you expect him to keep faith with you?
To sign you essay in Christ's name is blasphemous. Ministry to the Jewish people is what allows sheep nations to enter God's kingdom in Matthew 25. While clever doctrinal twists will not lose one's salvation, you have forfeited a blessing, not having the sense of Balaam's donkey!
Gen 22:2
ReplyDelete"....He said, "Take now your son, your ONLY son, whom you love, Isaac...."
Gen 22:12
"....I know that you fear God, since you have not withheld your son, your ONLY son, from Me."
Gen 22:16
"By Myself I have sworn, declares the LORD, because you have done this thing and have not withheld your son, your ONLY son..."
Furthermore, contrary to the statement in the article above that Jews, Christians & Muslims worship the same God, Muslims worship a tribal moon "god."
It is ridiculous and an untenable position to blame “Christian Zionists” for the plight of the “Palestinian” people, and call supporting a homeland for Jews “sin.” It is not Israel’s land, it is not the Jews’ land, and it is not the “Palestinians’” land—it is Yahweh’s land; but He has given it as a heritage to the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. In dividing the land in a way we think is just and fair, we might find ourselves going against Yahweh’s will, which is the very definition of biblical sin. On the issue of the Land, Yahweh has affirmatively spoken.
ReplyDelete"For behold, in those days and at that time, when I restore the fortunes of Judah and Jerusalem, I will gather all the nations and bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat. And I will enter into judgment with them there, on behalf of my people and my heritage Israel, because they have scattered them among the nations AND HAVE DIVIDED UP MY LAND, and have cast lots for my people, and have traded a boy for a prostitute, and have sold a girl for wine and have drunk it” (Joe 3:1-3)(Emphasis added).
Even the disciples looked for the restoration of the kingdom of Israel after the resurrection—and Jesus did not rebuke them on the issue of a restoration of the kingdom he simply said the time was not for them to know what “the Father has fixed by his own authority” (Acts 1:6-7).
It is not “sin” to bless the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob—it is seeking a blessing as opposed to a curse. This particular blessing was for the descendants of Jacob as well (Gen. 27:29). The promise of this type of blessing was not specifically passed to Ishmael or Esau. Abraham’s descendant other than Isaac and Jacob would be blessed, but not in the manner or way Isaac and Jacob and their descendants were to be blessed.
“Christian Zionists” and Israel are not responsible for the conditions of the "Palestinian" people, the "Palestinian" leaders are responsible for the horrible conditions. The Palestinian Authority and other Palestinian leaders have received hundreds of millions, if not billions of dollars, and instead of investing the money in infrastructure for the people, they use it for waging war against Israel and lining their own pockets. Look at Gaza, the PA received it back in 2005 and it is still a war zone and slum; yet the PA was given millions from the international community to improve Gaza. How could that be “Christian Zionists’” or Israel’s fault?
(As a side point: There is no such thing as a distinct, historical, cultural people known as the “Palestinians.” Rome renamed Judea and Israel “Palestine” as an affront (as it is a reference to Israel’s archenemy the Philistines) to the Jews because of their many rebellions against Rome; and Rome also renamed Jerusalem “Aelia Capitolina.” (But that did not last long.) This was to remove any indication that the land was Israel or associated with Jews and the Israelites.)
Let’s revisit modern War and Peace in Israel. When the state of Israel was declared, five surrounding Muslim nations, including the "Palestinian" inhabitants of the land attacked the new state and the Jewish people...WITHOUT PROVOCATION. The Israeli War for Independence was started by Arabs and Muslims against Jews for the sole reason of the Jews having declared the establishment of Israel.
ReplyDeleteAs part of the two-state solution passed by the UN in 1947, the Palestinians and surrounding Arab nations were more concerned with kicking out the Jews and making sure there was no state of Israel. Instead of waging war against Israel and the Jews, the Palestinians and Arab nations should have declared a Palestinian state and worked on co-existing with Israel but they did not. Why? It was all about kicking Jews out of Palestine and the destruction of the state of Israel. And this is where we are at today…no Palestinian state because it is not about a Palestinian state it is about the destruction of Israel and kicking out the Jews from the land.
The current “Palestinian” refugee problem was created by Arab and Palestinian leaders telling the inhabitants of “Palestine” not to go back to their homes, not to live side-by-side with the Jews, and wait to return to their homes after the Arab nations had driven all of the Jews out of “Palestine.”
Of all of the Arab-Israeli Wars since 1948, Israel only started one: the 1967 Six Day War but only as a preemptive strike in the face of the surrounding Arab nations preparing to wage war yet again against Israel. The Open Letter speaks of the pre-1967 borders. Why should Israel give up land that it won during a war (in an effort to stop further Arab aggression) and which gives it a better defensive position against its Arab neighbors which have continually attacked it. The post-1967 borders of Israel is what has really deterred Arab aggression (except the 1973 Yom Kippur War, where again Arab nations were the aggressors).
Most of the players involved don’t want peace with Israel; they seek the complete annihilation of all Jews and the state of Israel. For this they are cursed by Yahweh, which I think is plainly obvious in the Palestinians’ case. I do personally feel for the plight of the Palestinian people but they are cursing a people whom Yahweh has specifically blessed.
All of this aside. The conflict will never be resolved by solving the “Palestinian” problem because it is spiritual. The issue is which line will be the spiritual head of the house of Abraham. The line of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob; or the line of Abraham, Ishmael, and Esau. Scripture is clear that Yah has a role/plan for both lines. But only one line is chosen to be the spiritual head. This has been the eternal battle, really a cosmic battle from the beginning. We all have roles to play, but Moab, Ammon, Ishmael, and Esau, and their descendants have rebelled against their roles in this specific instance (as has Israel).
We could spend all day refuting this letter. But I'll just say a couple things and mostly pray that you will read the prophets WITH the HOLY SPIRIT!
ReplyDeleteAll historical sources tell us that Israel was turned into a desolate wasteland, with nearly no inhabitants. It is through zionism (only because it was blessed by the Holy Spirit) that the land blossomed again.
The prophets are very clear that the Jewish people will lose their land, but be brought back in the end times, AND come to acceptance of their Messiah, once in the land. Here's quote that wasn't mentioned:
"In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David (Messiah)... That they may possess the remnant of Edom, and of all the heathen, which are called by my name... And I will bring AGAIN the captivity of my poeple of Israel... And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them..." Amos 9: 11-15 KJV
And the Arabs are the ones oppressing the poor, widow, and orphan (and also the Palestinians). In Israel, even Arab muslims enjoy complete citizenship.
I am slightly shocked and highly disappointed that such scholarly leaders would publicly demonstrate such a gross lack of reason and understanding, while pointing fingers of blame at their brothers and sisters.
ReplyDeleteTo me, the most glaring example of their foolish supposition comes in the paragraphs concerning the Abraham and his descendants. Romans 4 extends the covenant Promise to all who BELIEVE. I am appalled at the subsequent extrapolation:
"This is why it is correct to say that (at least) Jews, Christians, and Muslims are all descendants of Abraham, all part of the Abrahamic family tree, some by birth, some by lineage, some by faith."
The last time I checked, Muslims do not believe Yeshua/Jesus is the Meshiach/Messiah (Christ). The above statement prejudicially supposes that all Muslims are Arabs and all Arabs are Muslims. Not true. But, ALL Muslims are idolaters. God never allows idolatry to go uncastigated.
It is abundantly and inarguably clear that the Promise was made to Abraham, through Isaac and Jacob. There are many examples of members of this line that were corrected, punished and even killed for their idolatry. It is thus, ludicrous to think that God would ultimately and eternally allow His nation (both physical and spiritual) to be accepting of, much less controlled by Muslim idolaters.
Israel is not perfect. But it behooves the writers of this letter (and others who agree with them) to reevaluate their conclusions and position themselves on the side of a soon- to- be perfected nation against countless idolatrous nations that stand against her, poising themselves to receive the wrath of ajealous, promise-keeping God.
You seem to have lost sight of the larger context. While I don't disagree necessarily with your points, I am astonished that you have the big, blind-spot about how what you are saying regarding justice--it applies also to Palestinians, Lebanon, Jordan, Syria-Gasp-yes, Syria too! Why is Palestinian leadership exempt from providing justice to their peoples? Why is Syria exempt, etc? The Palestinian leadership keep threatening that the Arab Spring may come to the Palestinian people, implying that it will be against Israel. A true application of the Arab Spring concept would be that the Palestinian people overthrow their own corrupt leadership. That is the justice they can work for themselves, if they want to follow Egypt's example. Their leadership has kept them from getting anything for the past 60 years. Why would it be so terrible for Israel to govern their affairs anyway?
ReplyDeleteHow ironic, that because Israel is the only country in that region, with whom it is safe for citizens to dialogue about justice and human rights--using modern forms of communication and democratic literacy, including not blabbing on and on without historical integrity, in public venues, and without accountability--that the media holds them to a level of integrity that the surrounding areas need not observe?
Scholars - I have a concern for your well-being after you have despised Gods chosen people, and after reading all of the replies...I wonder if you have some up from out of the covers yet. Be careful when you do, because when you Qalal (Curse, belittle, mock, or scorn) Gods chosen people, God says He will Arar (Curse, Destroy)you... this is the same word He used when He cursed Satan in the Garden of Eden, it is a violent word...careful now. You have time to repent, because that is what you will need to do. Thank you to all of the brilliant people who replied, ALL in favor of God, His Word, and His Holy Name! God Bless you ALL!
ReplyDeleteZionism is Idolatry, putting one interpretation of Old Testament provisions above the commands of Jesus in The New Teastament. Jesus tells us to love our enemies, and to love one another. We do not love by supporting any people's perpetration of the human rights abuses that are part of the Israeli Occupation of East Jerusalem, the West Bank, and Gaza. So, we choose do we worship Zionism or God.
ReplyDeleteBlink, That Romans verse you address clearly states the only ones entitled to the covenant promises are believers in Jesus, it seemingly excludes all Jews who reject Jesus, as well as Muslims. I am just fully applying that reasoning that excludes Muslims, excludes Jews from the promises as well. Idolatry is placing something before God, like Zionism, unqualified support for a modern nation called Israel. Christians believe in a New Covenant, only the ones who believe in Jesus have salvation. That excludes Jews.
ReplyDeleteBut I want to raise a possibility here, that God might show Jesus to others in ways we do not see or understand, so I really think we should be careful about passing judgment on other's personal relationship with God and the people that might be being referred to in Genesis.
What a disservice Mr. Darby and Mr. Scofield have done to the spiritual nature of this country.
ReplyDeleteI applaud you for trying to tell the truth about what is happening there. It just breaks my heart.
How do the commenters here justify this treatment of our Christian brothers and sisters? All they want from us is to see the world through their eyes and their struggles. For you, I pray that your ears be opened along with your heart.
As already stated, the promised land to Abraham extended far beyond the presently disputed borders of modern day Israel... then shouldn't believing Christians be encouraging Jewish settlements to be built in Lebanon etc... too?
ReplyDeleteClearly not, no that prophecy will have it's ultimate fulfillment in the promised coming Millennium.
Revelation 20:6B
..The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.
However, Biblical prophecy demands that there must be a Jewish State linked to Jerusalem in the last days, the fall of which will so refine the hearts of 'the remnant' that it will bring about the promised return of the King.
Zechariah 14:2
I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city.
Yes then in their despair their they shall recognise their sin...
Hosea 5:15
I will go away and return to My place Until they acknowledge their guilt and seek My face; In their affliction they will earnestly seek Me.
Maybe those who oppose this view think it is a Christian Jerusalem that God will bring such disaster upon! But it is clearly a Jewish Jerusalem...
Matthew 24:20-21
20 - Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the SABBATH.
21 - For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now, and never to be equaled again.
So why then oppose the 1967 borders? Because agreeing with them would certainly deny Scripture by denying the existence of tiny Israel, for leaving it indefensible it would shortly perish. For who can deny the oft quoted desire of many of the surrounding peoples, that Israel has no right to exist?
Personally I firmly believe that 'The Prince of the Air' sees his only chance of prolonging his days by breaking Scripture. To mention but a few attempts I think of Haman's attempts to wipe-out the Jews in the days of the Medo-persian empire, which if it had been successful may have destroyed the line of the King of Kings.
King Herod's attempt to kill the King at His first coming, and in more recent days the Holocaust amazingly denied today by many in the East.
And today, with antisemitism still very much alive we see much (not all) of Islam intent of the destruction of the Jewish State. But what of it, why should it matter one hoot? Well not-one-bit if you discard much of Scripture, but if on the other hand you hold Biblical prophecy as truth, much indeed, for if 'the god of this present age' can destroy the Jewish Nation... how then will the remnant recognising that they crucified their King and so cry-out to Him, and He answer them?
Zechariah 13:9
This third I will bring into the fire; I will refine them like silver and test them like gold. They will call on my name and I will answer them; I will say, 'They are my people,' and they will say, 'The LORD is our God.'"
Thus with Scripture broken, Satan would hope to escape being restrained through the coming Millennium...
Revelation 20:2-3
2 - He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.
3 - He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.
....but more importantly, escape his prophecied final abode...
Revelation 20:10
And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulphur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Yes, for a moment and at the proper time Israel will fall... but until that day the State of Israel must and will remain, and I for one will in my simple way resists all Satan's attempts to destroy it.
As a Jew, from Israel, it warms my heart reading the MANY that question this obviously biased letter. This letter twists scripture to fit agenda, ignores history to accommodate politics, and is blind to the realities on the ground.
ReplyDeleteTo those who Support Israel, God will Bless you, as do I.
I don't need to repeat what various Christian Zionist brothers / sisters already said above; I only want to add one thing:
ReplyDeleteWhere do you get the nerve, as a non-jew,to tell Israel what, according to THEIR Scriptures, is justice? You should be ashamed of yourself.
No one except some extremists denies the right of non-Jews to live in the Holy Land, but according to God's eternal promise it nevertheless belongs to the Jewish people. To what measure can we otherwise know if any of God's promises is still valid?
FACT: We have all heard this one before: “If the ‘Palestinian’ fighters and their comrades would lay down their weapons, there would be no more war (or wall, or checkpoints, etc.). But if Israel laid down her weapons, there would be no more Israel.” Do you really doubt the Truth of this?
ReplyDeleteFACT: Islam demands the destruction of Israel. The Qur’an, Hadith and other tenets of basic Islam that animate the killers of innocents across the globe are the cause of terrorism, NOT a tiny sliver of land on the east coast of the Mediterranean. Do you really think that relinquishing this or that hunk of land will satisfy the Yasser Arafats of the world, the Abu Mazens, the Osama bin Ladens, and all the rest of them? Please...
FACT: If every Jewish man, woman and child packed up and left the Golan, the West Bank, and East Jerusalem today and relinquished it to the “Palestinians”, do you think there would be peace tomorrow? Of course not. The “Gaza Launching Pad” stands as the best example of this “land-for-peace” folly.
FACT: There are definitely innocent “Palestinians” who are suffering as a result of this aggressive, supremacist ideology that constantly seeks Israel’s destruction. They are being held hostage by their own people, pawns in this great battle to annihilate the Jewish State and kill the Jewish People. The “Palestinians” are cynically being used as mere PR pawns in this Islamic chess game. Since they cannot beat Israel militarily, the Islamists will hurt her in the court of public opinion. It is a multi-faceted war against the Jewish Infidels, as it is against us all. You are foolish if you do not know this, and complicit if you do. Either way, you are being used to further this vicious, pitiful game. Shame on you.
As “Christian Palestinianists” who claim a true “concern” for these suffering people, you, of all people, should not toy with their very lives. You know the score, but instead of facing the Islamists for what they are – the very cause of this crisis – you pander to them while calling Bible believers “sinners” for believing the most obvious of clear, unambiguous passages. Your behavior is stunning...but plays well with the Islamists.
FACT: Israel did not build the “wall” and erect checkpoints because it is an apartheid state that wishes to destroy “Palestinian” pride and self-esteem and steal their property. That nonsense is beyond bogus. It is downright childish. Israel erected the “wall” and checkpoints to keep certain “Palestinians” from annihilating their citizens. From blowing off the body parts of Jewish women and children on buses. Today, certain “Palestinians” deliberately, intentionally, willfully, and with all malice aim rockets at civilian population centers, and threaten to do much more.
FACT: You failed, utterly, to appropriately address Israel’s right to survive, to be free of terrorist bombings and rocket attacks. You failed utterly to appropriately criticize “Palestinian” Islamic terrorist activity, past and present, that gives Israel no peace. They do not want peace; they want, and will have nothing but, the destruction of Israel.
FACT: If your city was taking rocket-fire and enduring multiple vicious bombing attacks from Islamic “Palestinian” terrorists who have the announced goal of annihilating your city, you would be screaming for 10' walls, checkpoints, and most of all, a hard-hitting military response to stop the slaughter of your people and destroy the attackers. Why should Israel tolerate that evil?
FACT: You do not know, really know, the history of Oslo and other worthless "peace" endeavors. You do not know who Abu Mazen really is. You do not know who the HAMAS is, who Hezbollah is, who the other players are. If you do, then you are guilty of extreme misrepresentation to your flock. Tell your flock. Tell them the Truth. Tell them about true Islam. Tell them the true history of failed “peace” summits. And if you don’t know, find out.
Although I have already made an earlier post, having read 'Walter's' comment of which I am very much in agreement... I was reminded of an event during my past that some may find interesting.
ReplyDeleteMy Grandfather, now passed away, was, during the second World War a tail gunner in a Wellington Bomber, mentioned in the book "Men of the RAF" [Oxford University Press] and pictured on plate 38 with the position of Sergeant. He was shot down twice over France only to find his way home to fight again, who amazingly out lived his whole squadron twice over. With luck running out he was moved to 'Bomber Command' and retired with the rank of 'Wing Commander'. Although he never came to know the Lord, he was still a man of great integrity... whose very presence always demanded respect.
Before I myself came to know the Lord, and during a visit to his home he happened to mentioned that he was stationed in Israel during the 'British Mandate'... or at least the latter days of it. Recounting various adventures, one of which was leading his men to investigate reports of a disturbance in a local wood, only to discover a very boisterous moody cow... he went on to expounded upon a topic that back then I had little or no interest in, but today I find very revealing indeed.
Staring into space he said...
"It wasn't the Jews who chase the Palestinians out of Israel, but one morning they all just got-up and ran".
Anyway... I thought to mention it, as it stands totally opposed to the notion that the Jews drove the Arabs out of Israel to steal their land. But I think it may have much more to do with the surrounding Arab Nations declaration that "all Arabs should leave as they were about to drive the Jews into the Sea".
Interesting, Karlos. We are losing the vital first-hand accounts of the people who lived through that time. Truth expires with them, and we will end up making the same mistakes without their guidance. People who are not particularly fond of the truth take advantage of fading memories. Your Grandfather's comment is telling and matches other info out there. (Shot down twice by Nazis and went back fighting? They don't make 'em like that any more!) Thanks for the input.
DeleteI am appalled at the comments on here. Are you all so drenched in your blind belief that you cannot even see the truth in the matter that is presented before you? This is a biblical argument for goodness sake! No one even mentioned the origins of Zionism being that of athiests who happened to be Jewish-born!
ReplyDeleteYes, Zionism was started by godless men in 1896 who were unhappy with the Social Darwinist supremacist clubs of Europe and the US because they were considered lesser beings for having Jewish blood. Zionism was created to display people of Jewish bloods' supremacy. They first chose Argentina and Uganada before settling on Palestine, because it was small enough to genocide and create their supremacist state. Zionism didn't even begin to mix with religion until about the 50s and 60s when they started to realize that there needs to be a religious mission in order to convince Jews to go there. They didn't expect Christians to fall for it too but they underestimated stupidity I guess.
It's amazing to me how people support ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians and how they should go live somewhere else. That's a great argument to make in the future when our country gets invaded and Americans begin getting kicked out of their homes to make way for the new colonists. I mean it'll be easy considering everyone can go live in Canada or something.
I think the hate for Palestinians is more about the prejudice and hate that fundamentalist Christians have for Muslims than anything else. It is the same prejudice and hate that caused the Crusaders to massacre every inhabitant of Jerusalem regardless of their religion because Arab Christians are basically Muslims to the ignorant and the hateful. If you only knew the kind of great cooperation Muslims and Christians had throughout the last thousand years. Muslim doctors invented medicines to save Europeans from diseases and plagues and had it not been for a Muslim philosopher named Averroes (Ibn Rushd) coming up with the concept of the seperation between church and state, Christian Europe may have never experienced the Renaissance. You allow a few radical Muslims to determine your outlook on the religion as a whole. A million Iraqis have been killed under our occupation and the majority of Iraqi people still don't hate Americans or Christians. They make better Christians than you do.
But what gives me hope is that for every hateful bigot that has put up the most ignorant, cliche statement of his/her unconditional love for Israel, there are dozens more Christians around the world who are looking at the bigger picture and realizing that modern-day Israel was created under blasphemous origins and that all the blind Chrisitans following it don't realize they are in love with the ambitions of god-hating atheists.
Thankfully for you, I only can judge your wrongdoing in this life which means nothing to you. But it will count when you stand before God and are asked why you supported such a horrid injustice that was built on blashpemy in His name. You will be asked why you never heeded the warnings before you. You will be asked why you allowed such hate and blind prejudice to darken your heart and feel no remorse for those who are suffering before you. He will know what is in your heart and mind and no matter what your great excuse will be, it won't work. So you can feel as arrogant about yourself as you want now, but you will be humbled when the time comes. Hopefully you will have seen the light by then.
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DeleteVery glad you posted, appreciate the passion. Not sure exactly which of our comments you were responding to. You may have noticed in my previous post I stayed away from Biblical interpretations. That was to avoid initial disagreements, although I’m a strong Bible-believer; seems you may be, too?
Having said that, are there any comments in particular that you found inaccurate? If so, I’d really appreciate a response to correct any factual errors.
Please know there is no hate for Palestinians or Muslims at this end, I assure you. There are many peaceful Muslims who do not even give zakat (charity) to anything tied to funneling money to jihadists, etc., and who abhor the statements of jihad in the Qur’an, Hadith and by countless Muslim leaders today. I know some, they are peaceful, and I love them. Mind if I respectfully comment on a few of your notes? You said:
“This is a biblical argument for goodness sake! No one even mentioned the origins of Zionism being that of atheists who happened to be Jewish-born!”
Bingo! You know the prophecies. Good on ya. Yes, many of the original settlers did not believe in God, just as predicted in the Book. The God of Israel indicated very clearly in several places that He would severely punish the Jewish People for disobedience, and later regather them back in the Land FIRST in a state of unbelief...exactly as you said...and then He would bring them to Himself later, which is made clear in several future prophecies. And these aren’t particularly “weird” prophecies that can be “interpreted” many ways. Look at this one, for example, where the Bible specifically addresses the Jewish People about the 2nd Coming of Christ:
Zech 14:1-4, KJV ~ “Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy [Jews’] spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. 2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. 3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. 4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east...”
Some try to twist these verses to fit their own ideas, which is always a bad idea. This is God’s business, whether we like it or not. Look how the Bible specifically describes the people finally recognizing who Jesus Christ is, “whom they have pierced”:
Zech 12:9-10, KJV ~ “9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. 10 And I will pour upon the house of David [obviously Jews], and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.” He is coming straight to them in Jerusalem.
Re- Comments you made about Zionism. Well, the Biggest Zionist of All would like to have some Input:
Joel 3:16, KJV~ “The Lord also shall roar out of ZION, and utter his voice from JERUSALEM; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the Lord will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of ISRAEL.”
Ps 48:1-2, NKJV ~ “Great is the Lord, and greatly to be praised In the city of our God, In His holy mountain. 2 Beautiful in elevation, The joy of the whole earth, Is Mount Zion on the sides of the north, The city of the great King.”
The City of the Great King is ZION. Wow. So who is the Great King? Matthew tells us in 5:34-35, KJV ~ (JESUS speaking): “34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne: 35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the Great King.”
He is coming to Zion/Jerusalem to bring Israel to Himself, and He wants you to know. Said in love, hope to hear back!